Trình phápKhóa thiền Insight Meditation Society01/05/2012
Trình pháp nhóm F 1 — Tách tham khỏi nỗ lực và sự hay biết
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Phiên âm
Tiếng AnhWhich eight? Which eight?
Tiếng AnhJust raise your hands. Who is the eight that's going to be speaking?
Tiếng AnhSeven. Three, four, five, six.
Tiếng AnhNine. Nine, maybe.
Tiếng AnhI'm going to stop. Stop talking? Yeah.
Tiếng AnhUm, well, I had this, uh,
Tiếng Anhkind of difficult everyday experience today. Where, um,
Tiếng AnhI woke up with this, uh, tick embedded in my leg, and, um, I found that my mind was, um, filled with, uh, fear and sadness and, um,
Tiếng Anhworry. So I, I did what I could, but that persisted for a long time, including, um, having some wrong information that added to it. And I couldn't see, uh, somebody to help me at the clinic in Bowery until later in the afternoon. So I kind of sat with that a lot through the day.
Tiếng AnhAnd then, when it turned out to be okay and what I had hoped, I was elated, and my mind was filled with, like, happiness and relief. So I feel like I had some awareness, but I had no wisdom.
Tiếng Anhอืม นิดนึง ไอ้หู ตอนนั้นหูเก่าหน่อยดิ ที่เราทํามาไว้เนี่ยมัน เดินออกสวยอย่างผู้ฟัง ใส่บู๊มเลย เอ่อ แล้วแบบเฉยๆ แหละ คุณยังไม่เอาตัวมา information เลยนะ มาอย่ารอซอยเองนะ แบบ เดี๋ยวเราถ่ายเนี่ย เดี๋ยวเราถ่ายได้ไหม ซอยเอง เอ่อ หูเนี่ยแหละ แล้วแบบเสียงอันต่อไปผิดดอก เอ่อ มาๆ มาผิว ไอ้เสียงที่แวลูตี้หลายดอกถูกแล้ว ตรงรอปอปเอาอะไร ได้ไหม เราดูว่า แต่เดี๋ยวเราเชื่อแล้วไม่เอาเลย ได้ไหม เดี๋ยวเราได้มาเป่า ใช่
Tiếng Anhเออ เราคนไทยเราต้องย้ําบากจริงๆ ดูแล้ว โอ้ ซอยน่าหิว ซอยน่าหยอดอะไรที่เนี่ยๆ ฝรั่ง อืม He says, "So, you can bring some wisdom to the practice if you have an experience of worry or aversion or fear another time," he says, "and that is to, um, to actually observe that, that worry and, and maybe ask yourself questions about it to find out what, what it's based on and so on, where it's coming from."
Tiếng AnhUm, not so much to think of an answer, but to just observe and. Yeah, no, I was sort of trying to do that. I mean, I did do that some, but I found that the suffering still persisted. And, uh, I just wondered if, um, there were any more kind of wise approaches, like maybe more skillful means, because I'm sure this will happen again.
Tiếng Anhอืม คือว่า ถ้าหลุดโลกจิตอะไรแบบ หลุดออกโลกจิตอะไรเงี้ย เราจะเจอมาหลายรอบเลย เอ่อ เราจะ จะช้านี่เลย จะช้า อันที่เฮา จะช้าลงบ่ โลกตินะ ชีลาอะไร เหมือนขณะๆ เอ่อ ถ้าขาดท่าก็เอาเวล่ออกมาบ่ เหมือนซอยน่าเอาเวล่ออกมาบ่ ตรงพาซอย ซอยน่าเฮาจะเชน เอาเวล่ออกมา จะเชนตอนเราเอา ซอยน่าเฮียนต่อเจ้าป่าเนี่ย ดู ไม่ซอยไหนมันซอยอย่างเดียว อืม เมาๆ ตัวเนี่ยเพี้ยนแล้ว ตอนที่เข้าแล้วสั้นจี๋แล้วเลย ชูเลย เอ่อ โอ้ ไม่ก็ไม่เลย ได้ไหม จะรู้เวล่ออกมาไหม รู้เวล่ออกมาไหม It's just ขณะๆ
Tiếng Anhพินัย พินัยจีอ่ะ มันขาดเลยเนี่ย เราพยายาม Yeah. And wisdom won't arrive until it's like the first time we observe it, like the second or the third. He says, "We have to watch, you know, all this fear, resistance, worry, emersion, um, just mindfulness many times before we begin to understand something." So just allow yourself to have lots of awareness.
Tiếng Anhวันนี้เอาโลกดาจีแล้ว นะ เอาโลกดาจี จะเชนเย็นๆ เอาพาหะ เซ็นเอาเลย ต่อเจ้าจีละ อืม นะ เลยเชนให้สวยแล้ว easily แล้ว Yeah. He says, "We can try to make it
Tiếng Anhstop feeling like that, or we can try to understand what it's all about." So, um, if we just want to stop the feeling, yes, he says, you can just observe very closely and very strongly until it's sort of suppressed or goes away because you're not able to think about it or whatever. But, um, yeah, if you just, if you want to understand it, you just have to.
Tiếng AnhRight, well, the extent that my understanding went was like attachment to my body, and that was very hard to get over at that moment. เติมพลังนะ ฮาเลลูยา เราใส่การ์ดดีขนาดโคตร ตอนเราซวยแล้ว แล้วเราจะเชน แล้วจะเอายามาเมาส์ด้วย Yeah แล้วทีจะคุย That's, that's a, that's a good something just to understand.
Tiếng AnhNext.
Tiếng AnhUm, I have a question about dukkha. I understand about dukkha, dukkha. Uh, I'm, I'm very familiar with pain and unsatisfactoriness, but I don't really understand when you say, um, that even pity or, um, samādhi is dukkha. Uh, does that mean the unsubstantiality of it, or what does that mean?
Tiếng Anhอืม ดุกคา ดุกคา เราดูนะ เลยๆ เลย ดูมา ขณะกูโดดข้ามไป ชีเลย เซงโดดข้าวเลย แล้วดูสิ ได้ไหม หูเสี้ยนหูเก้านะ เซงได้เลย โดดข้ามไปเลย สุดแล้ว เราจะเอาน้ําเลย อันนี้ อันนี้สั้นนะ เลย อันนี้สั้นนะ เลย เราจะบอกก่อน Yes. It has something to do with the unsub- insubstantiality of it. So no matter how pleasant anything is, we then have the nature to get old and sick, and all those close to us will be, will be separated from.
Tiếng Anhแล้วเรา เอาโลก แควขวามา เอ่อ เอาพ่อเย็นโดดข้าวเลย ถึงจะปรมาสดุกขาก็ปรมาสดุกขาก็เราอยู่ อันนี้นะ เปี่ยวนี่ That's also at a gross level, you know, things like being parted from loved ones and so on. But at a very subtle level, um, at the level of reality, um, there is also another level of understanding that is so, that is insubstantial overall.
Tiếng Anhจีนนะ เราจีนนะ เราไม่เอา อันนี้นะ มันเชนไหน อันนี้นะ ทีเชนแล้ว เปี่ยวนี่ ดูจีนนะ เสียงมันชื่น There is nothing that we can rely on. It's, it's always, um, changing. And in that, in, in, in that, um,
Tiếng Anhyou cannot say that anything is good in itself.
Tiếng AnhOkay. But while we're in, perhaps we're in a pleasant moment, whatever it is. ขณะเราเกาเลย เราจะเบิดจบ Um, then it's okay to really feel the, fully feel the pleasantness of it. ถ้ามันรอว่ามาปรมาส ขณะมันโดดข้าวนะ เลยนะ รอว่าไปอยู่ว่านะ เลยนะ Yes. If, as far as applying the practice, he says, then if there's attachment to the pleasant state, then there, it's difficult for the understanding that that state has a level of dukkha in it to arise, for the understanding that there's a level of dukkha in it to arise.
Tiếng AnhSo you have to be neutral about observing pleasant states. เขาเรียกว่าอะไร อุปัฏฐานในชีวิต เอ๊ะ บอกเมียนี่ เมียชื่อเนี่ย เชนมาดูโต๊ะกันแล้วนะ And then when, um, well, first you have to be able to observe without being attached, and then, he says, some wisdom must arise. So when an insight about it arises. โต๊ะกันแล้วเหรอ นี่วิสdomนะ เลยเหรอ โต๊ะเขานะ เลยเหรอ เมีย So understanding dukkha at the, that level, at the level of.
Tiếng Anhอันนี้ใส่โดกะนะ เลยๆ เราเนียนเว้ย He said insight. Right, but I think the part I'm missing is that it's okay and appropriate to fully feel whatever is pleasant. อืม แต่มันดู
[Đoạn tiếng Miến]
Tiếng Anhwe'd want to use that. อีกอย่างหนึ่งที่เราอยากโดนมาอย่าง To be fully aware of, rather than to fully feel. Because maybe in English, when you say to fully feel, it may mean an indulging in the pleasant state.
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