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Trầm cảm (phần 2)
Thiền sư U Tejaniya · 8 phút
Âm thanh gốc: Tiếng Anh · phiên dịch Thái
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Phiên âm
Tiếng Anh
One more thing I want to ask about the depression thing, when emotions come up overwhelming, that we need somebody to settle it down, but we cannot use longer, then we have to do both things at the same time. So you need to, all the time, somebody build up, somebody all the time?
Tiếng Anh
No, like— Can try.
Tiếng Anh
Then you can maintain your peace, the quality of awareness all the time, this peacefulness, right? Stable. Otherwise the depression comes back again and again. But— So are you allowed to come with? Also, you enjoy the depression? Too much concentration, awareness will not develop. No, no, no, no, no. You can use your— every time you— first you need to maintain your peacefulness first.
Tiếng Anh
Yeah.
Tiếng Anh
So you don't— Then long time you do like this, then slowly the depression is no chance to come, weaker, weaker. It's how— If you have a space, you place your mind in, all the time somebody is there, somebody is there, somebody is there, so later they cannot come. So the mind moves longer peacefulness. Then you can change your Vipassanā also.
Tiếng Anh
So peacefulness is very important to maintain the peacefulness first. And also you need to learn how to maintain the peacefulness all the time.
Tiếng Anh
It's happened for me when I was in Paramonnasri that more focus on concentration, that during that time is really good, but when I join into the conversation, after that immediately the depression— You're not skillful yet. You cannot maintain your peace, somebody when you are talking time. You are not skillful yet. When not talking and nothing to do, then you can maintain your peacefulness.
Tiếng Anh
That means it's your understanding not enough. So you need to find a way how to be peaceful when you're talking time. So slowly you need to learn, learn, learn, any situation, how to maintain the peacefulness. Right? So you mean use Samatha first and then Vipassanā? Yes. Yes. Samatha and Vipassanā, we do like this.
Tiếng Anh
Sometimes Samatha, some Vipassanā, but if you have the time, enough time, then Vipassanā. Later, later your wisdom increasing, then all the time Vipassanā, no problem. But beginning we have not enough understanding. When I become depressed I use a lot of Samatha. Concentration, concentration make the mind calm down first. Then I can do the job.
Tiếng Anh
Otherwise I cannot do my job. All the time I fear.
TH
โอเค เขาถามว่าถ้าหากว่ามันอารมณ์ที่เป็นความซึมเศร้ามันท่วมทนมากๆ เนี่ย จะทํายังไงนะคะ ท่านอาจารย์ก็แนะนําว่าให้ใช้สมาธิ ให้ทําสมาธิจนกระทั่งสร้างความสงบให้เกิดขึ้นในจิตใจ แล้วก็พยายามรักษาความสงบนี้ไปเรื่อยๆ โดยที่ในขณะที่พูดหรือในขณะอะไร คือพยายามใช้ความชํานาญสร้างความสงบแบบนี้ แล้วค่อยเข้าไปสู่วิปัสสนา I remember one time I very messy time.
Tiếng Anh
I'm in the market. So I cannot control myself. Then how to do? I go to the toilet.
Tiếng Anh
But I cannot, why? I need to do this. I cannot go back my home and sleep. So I go to toilet and
Tiếng Anh
calm down and come back and try again.
Tiếng Anh
Whatever, we have this. We only have this weapon, then we use this weapon. And later, later your weapon becomes bigger, bigger.
Tiếng Anh
When you don't have the ideas of killing myself? I never have this idea. This is a very, very strange depression nature. I saw many depression people, they want to kill themselves.
Tiếng Anh
I have no idea about this. Even a note because I think I knowledge.
Tiếng Anh
The mind not allow this happen.
Tiếng Anh
That's why I told you see I'm not— Many people, they try to, they have this idea, want to suicide of themselves. They think if they suicide then finish. But I'm not, the mind understanding this is not the way. So I have never have this idea.
Tiếng Anh
So you don't know what is the wholesome quality? Wholesome quality mean is pusala mind. Pusala mind. Pusala mind. Skillful mind. Wholesome mind. Skillful mind. Pusala mind.
TH
ก็ท่านเล่าว่ามีอยู่ครั้งหนึ่งท่านเหมือนกับทําใจไม่ได้เรื่อง เรื่องที่ในชีวิตของท่านน่ะนะคะ แล้วก็เหมือนกับท่านก็เลยเข้าไปในห้องน้ําแล้วก็เหมือนกับ
TH
สูดลมหายใจลึกๆ เข้าออกเข้าออกแบบนี้ ให้มันแบบว่าให้อารมณ์มัน calm down แล้วก็ค่อยออกมาสู้ใหม่นะคะ เพราะฉะนั้นท่านกําลังบอกว่า คือในขณะที่เราอยู่ในชีวิตจริงอ่ะ แล้วให้เราใช้อาวุธทุกอย่างที่เรามี เพื่อที่จะอยู่ในโลกนี้ให้ได้นะคะ แล้วก็เขาถามว่าเคยท่านเคยตอนที่ท่านเป็นซึมเศร้าน่ะ ท่านเคยคิดที่จะฆ่าตัวตายไหม ท่านบอกความคิดนี้ไม่เคยเกิดขึ้นกับท่านเลย เพราะท่านอาจจะเป็นเพราะว่าท่านมีความเข้าใจหรือมีปัญญา เพราะฉะนั้นความคิดนี้ไม่เคยเกิดขึ้นกับท่าน คือใจยังไม่ได้ไอ้ไอ้สมถะสมถะอย่างเงี้ย ใจยังไม่ได้ อ๋อ ยังค่ะ อ๋อ แล้วก็บอกว่าเหมือนกับการที่เราใช้อาวุธทุกอย่างให้ได้เนี่ย แล้วก็บอกว่าท่านบอกว่าสมถะกับวิปัสสนานี่มันเกิดขึ้นคู่กันตลอดเวลานะคะ
TH
ใช้คู่กันควบคู่กัน มันสลับไปสลับมาได้ถ้าจิตมันจิตมันมีความชํานาญพออ่ะค่ะ ถ้าเป็นช่วงที่มันจะใช้ความสงบ สมถะก็มี เราพอจะพลิกเป็นวิปัสสนาจิตมันจะรู้เอง แต่ว่ามันสลับไปสลับมาได้ สลับกันไปมาได้ ใช้ควบคู่กันได้
Tiếng Anh
When your wisdom is not very strong, when your wisdom is not very strong yet, you need to rely on your samādhi. So you always
Tiếng Anh
pay attention to some object all the time. Sometimes hearing, sometimes any object you use a little bit. Take if you have a time, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, focus to one object, tuk tuk tuk, and the mind settle down. So you need to don't let your mind free. If your mind free, then your la la la la, then a lot of moha, and then sometimes depression come, very strong both.
Tiếng Anh
If you are ready to aware something, concentrate something, then some difficulty come, you have power to face.
TH
เวลาที่ปัญญาของเรายังไม่แก่กล้านะคะ ก็ให้ใช้สมาธิช่วยก่อน เช่น โฟกัสไปที่อารมณ์กรรมฐานอันใดอันหนึ่งเพียงอย่างเดียวนะคะ จะเป็นอะไรก็ตาม อย่าปล่อยให้มันให้จิตมันไหลไปเรื่อยๆ เพราะว่าตอนนั้นโมหะกับอาการซึมเศร้ามันจะเข้าโจมตีเรานะคะ If you like music, also good object.
Tiếng Anh
I always listen to the music and I always pay attention to the beat.
TH
ใช้เสียงเพลงช่วยก็ได้นะคะ
Tiếng Anh
But it's also create emotion. No. This is awareness. I try to be aware that create the awareness, not emotion.
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