Q&ALing Shan Temple Retreat23 Apr 2018
Group 02 — Awareness of the Awareness and Working with Objects
Sayadaw U Tejaniya · 1 hr 49 min
Original audio: English · Chinese interpretation
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In this group interview, the teacher clarifies maintaining awareness rather than chasing objects or calm states. Knowing across the six sense doors shows sharper awareness rather than distraction, guiding meditators to check the quality of mind.
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- 11 hr 49 minOpening talk — Continuous Awareness and Right View21 Apr 2018
- 21 hr 14 minGroup 01 — Checking Mental States, Reaction to Pain and Natural Walking22 Apr 2018
- 317 minQ&A 01 — Physical and Mental Processes and Mind's Reaction to Pain22 Apr 2018
- 44 minQ&A 02 — Learning from Anger Instead of Focusing on the Object22 Apr 2018
- Viewing51 hr 50 minGroup 02 — Awareness of the Awareness and Working with Objects23 Apr 2018
- 63 minQ&A 03 — Using Questions to Arouse Interest23 Apr 2018
- 714 minQ&A 04 — Maintaining Awareness While Talking and in Vipassanā23 Apr 2018
- 81 hr 45 minGroup 03 — Open Awareness and Everything Is Nature24 Apr 2018
- 91 hr 57 minGroup 04 — Tension, Motivation, and Cause and Effect24 Apr 2018
- 1013 minQ&A 05 — Investigating Anger and the Mind's Process24 Apr 2018
Transcript
ZH
好，我们这一组的小参同学可以分享。
English
你— Sure, sure.
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Okay,
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you speak English better.
English
It's better even if you can translate— It's important that you can translate. Yeah, yeah. Whatever you prefer. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
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Um, sometimes my samādhi and my mind—actually my awareness—is very strong. Then I can
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stay very calm and look at my thoughts and my sensations of the body. Look at? My thoughts. Oh, your thoughts and— My thoughts and the sensations of my body. Sensations of your body. And sometimes I feel my mind actually just like a monkey. Ah. Because, you know, the object can move one by one so fast.
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Then I can see actually my mind. I stay with the object, but the object change, then my mind change. It goes to move to the other objects. So fast. Sometimes it's just like a nature. My mind also is a nature too. Yes.
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So
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the mind can see the mind very fast happening, right? Yes, exactly. So awareness also very fast. Sometimes I just lose patience. I just kind of afraid. I thought that myself can be so crazy. Actually, this is— Afraid. Afraid means it's because you think something. You have some idea, wrong idea comes.
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That's why afraid comes. This experience is not a problem. Because the mind becomes more faster. Yes. Then the mind—awareness moves faster, then you can see the more faster mind. Yes. So this is—you should not follow the object is changing too fast. You need to stay with the awareness. Just stay with the awareness?
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Yes. Just like— You're just checking the awareness. You're just aware of the awareness. Don't follow the object. Okay. Okay. So I just like to step back. Yes. Stay with my awareness. Right. Just like a background, seeing those things changing. Yes. But up to— Your object is awareness, not object.
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Okay. But up to a point, a few times actually, my sensation—I can see my—if my mind tries to go through the sensation. Yeah. And then
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I can see the projection of the picture. But the picture is not really related to life. It's just like so many things—mountains, flowers, whatever. Yes. The mind can think in many ways. Yes. I see—it's just like everything is just a phase, not reality. Right. So that time is the right thing. I just stay there. Just see whatever is happening.
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That's enough. Wake up and just see. Then one time actually I did it. Then what happened would be like
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suddenly all the projections stop. My mind becomes like just one. All the projections, all the whatever, just like calm down.
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Then I see nothing anymore. So you lost? No, actually I didn't lose my mind. It's just like I see just like no thoughts. Nothing. Peaceful. Yes. Peaceful is object. Peaceful is also object. Yes. Mental state. The mind peaceful. The mind is calm. Then you're aware of the mind aware that it's calm.
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So you need to be aware of your awareness. So whatever is happening, let it happen. Just let it happen. Yes. Okay. So let the mind know what naturally—whatever is happening, let the mind know. You just maintain your awareness. Wear the awareness. Recognize the awareness.
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Step back. Okay. Yeah. Right. Great. Thank you very much. Huh? Thank you very much. Yes.
ZH
要不要翻译中文呢？
English
What?
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OK，我来翻译，比较快。好吧。这个同学讲说他观照的时候呢，看到所缘发生得很快，知道的心也很快。就是好像都有一点害怕了，好像这个心不能自主，不像自己的，就好像快疯掉了。就是这么快地发生。禅师说不用怕。当这种情况发生之时候呢，就是这个观察的心呢，不要去追着所缘去追着它，而是就是知道，就是去觉知知道的心，知道这些所缘在发生的心就可以了。就是退后一步，是这样观照就可以了。而不用去每一个所缘都要很快地去知道它。大概是这样。
ZH
时间很重要，所以我们就请各位注意在。 好，好，好。 好。
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如果那个心跟着所缘，因为你的那个定力很强的时候，还有你的那个觉知力很强的时候，那个所缘只是所缘，它不会跟着。就是说如果你一直跟着所缘走，那个心好像就要发疯一样，因为太多的情绪在里面。那法师建议讲说就直接把你的那个心就守在你的那个觉知就好了，就是退后一步。但这个情况又会产生，所缘就会变成你的心又发现，如果你去退后一步看所缘的时候，它会有一种投射作用，然后投射的物体是乱七八糟的，那跟你平常生活所看到的东西都不太一样，也连接不起来。法师讲说那是对的。那后来就是说你一直停留在这个阶段，也许可能会一段很长的时间，但忽然之间会全世界都平静了，会没有所缘，什么都没有了，就是到一心那种感觉，非常的平静。那法师讲说那还是要保持就是你知道那是平静的心。
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Do not calm down the mind. Stay with the awareness. Calm down, awareness, the mind knows that calm down, right? Your object is awareness.
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If you stay with the calm down, the mind maybe
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awareness becomes going down, effort less, weak, or maybe enjoy the peaceful. So the important thing is you always stay with the awareness. If the mind calm or not calm, whatever is happening, awareness is more important. Okay.
ZH
那个禅师补充说，就是说就算心很平静，那个观照的所缘不是平静，而是知道平静的心。就是这个觉知的所缘永远是知道的心，而不是知道什么东西。
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禅师好。我今天很荣幸可以接触这个法门，因为过去所学是，就是我过去的所学是，我们的心缘取一个目标，那著重于专注，持续不断地对目标做专注。那但是有一个困难就是常常会，那个心整个会有被参与到那个里面去，会有黏着的感觉。那所以现在，尤其那个过去的学习是以观照腹部呼吸为主要的所缘。那现在的这个方法刚好是完全是有一点不一样的，但是我可以理解。禅师的书我也看了，我可以理解。所以我这两天的操作方面就是尽量维持注意力在审察观照心意，就是那个心，那个心的感觉。但是现在有一个困难点就是，目标会有很多个目标出现，有很多个目标出现，然后就是没有办法说从哪里开始。所以变成只是知道这个现象，但是没有办法更深入。但是我发现我有获得一个很好的体验是，这样的状态因为不是一种非常用力的专注，所以心反而有一种轻松的感觉。那有审察到觉知的心，它有作用的时候，它是轻快的，可以移动的。然后，但是唯一现在还要克服的就是，还是会不自觉地变成回去观照腹部所缘，然后又是重复以前的那种状态。可是我发现这样的时候，会让自己往后退，退出来。所以对于禅师的教法，现在尚在学习当中，但是我可以体会其中的精神。请禅师再解释一下，如何可以避免落入以前，直接掉入腹部的观照单一的所缘，因为那个著墨很深，以现在的惯性一下子没有办法改过。谢谢。
English
Okay. So she said she's very happy to learn this method because she used to practice single object, go to the object, the mind stick with the object. And now she's trying to pay attention to the feeling of the mind. That's her wording.
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