Q&ALing Shan Temple Retreat22 Apr 2018
Q&A 01 — Physical and Mental Processes and Mind's Reaction to Pain
Sayadaw U Tejaniya · 16 min
Original audio: English · Chinese interpretation
0:00−16:36
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The Q&A clarifies the distinction between physical and mental processes when experiencing pain. The teacher advises against sitting too long and emphasizes recognizing the mind's resistance or dislike before observing the pain. Only when the mind becomes equanimous can genuine understanding and wisdom arise.
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- 11 hr 49 minOpening talk — Continuous Awareness and Right View21 Apr 2018
- 21 hr 14 minGroup 01 — Checking Mental States, Reaction to Pain and Natural Walking22 Apr 2018
- Viewing317 minQ&A 01 — Physical and Mental Processes and Mind's Reaction to Pain22 Apr 2018
- 44 minQ&A 02 — Learning from Anger Instead of Focusing on the Object22 Apr 2018
- 51 hr 50 minGroup 02 — Awareness of the Awareness and Working with Objects23 Apr 2018
- 63 minQ&A 03 — Using Questions to Arouse Interest23 Apr 2018
- 714 minQ&A 04 — Maintaining Awareness While Talking and in Vipassanā23 Apr 2018
- 81 hr 45 minGroup 03 — Open Awareness and Everything Is Nature24 Apr 2018
- 91 hr 57 minGroup 04 — Tension, Motivation, and Cause and Effect24 Apr 2018
- 1013 minQ&A 05 — Investigating Anger and the Mind's Process24 Apr 2018
Transcript
English
Okay.
English
So this morning, talking about the instruction. If you do not understand, or something you want to know, you can talk now and ask some questions.
ZH
嗯，今天上午禅师有给那个禅修指导。如果大家有什么问题，或者有想知道更多，现在可以提问。
ZH
嗯，禅师好，感谢。请问那个观呼吸、观腹部，这是观身。那跟观这个，就是我们疼痛的时候，观这个疼痛，就是观感受、苦受这样子，它有，它是一样的吗？就是它都是心嘛，它都是心在觉知。但是我觉得这有一个不太一样的地方，就是说，一个所缘是在身体的这个肚脐、腹部，那苦受的话是属于心的部分。那请问一下，这个会有什么样的不同呢？就是这个技巧是在哪里？
English
So she's asking when we are mindful of the breathing, is the body phenomenon, but if it is pain, is Vedanā. So she said she thinks it's the mind.
English
Pain also physical process, happening in the body. Anapanā also happening in the body. Vedanā means it's the mind feeling. Feeling is Vedanā. That's the mind. Feeling is the mind.
ZH
Okay? 禅师说苦受，身体的疼痛也是身体的现象。就是和呼吸都是属于身体的现象。 那像情绪，它也是属于身体的现象吗？
English
Emotion, how about emotion? Oh, emotion is the mind, the mental state. But if emotion comes, your physical also happens.
English
The relationship happens. So if your mind, something happens, body also happens. So you need to know in the body, some object, physical object, and the mental object. Because emotion comes, you already know emotion, but obviously physical. Right?
ZH
Because— 禅师说呢，情绪是心里的感受，但是身体也会有感受的，不会单单只是内心的感受。所以呢，有时候身体的感受会更强，所以可以觉知身体的感受。 所以基本上还是在身体的感受。
English
So basically it's aware in the physical sensation.
English
Yes, it's easy to know. Yeah.
ZH
因为，是的，因为它比较明显，容易去被察觉。
English
So beginners yogi, they can know the physical process first. But there's already happening mental process also, but they're not clearly how to watch the mental process yet.
ZH
对于初学者来讲，身体观，观察身体的感受比较简单容易。虽然也有心理的感受和心理的现象，但是呢，刚开始就是觉知身体会比较容易。
English
Pain, and when the body pain, the mind is resist, not happy. And
English
feel bad. So this happening, but
English
they can know only physical, like together. They cannot know yet about the mental object clearly yet.
ZH
比如说身体有疼痛，其实内心可能也有，就是抗拒啊，不舒服。但是呢，一般都是比较混合在一起，比较混乱，很难很分得很清晰、很仔细内心的感受是怎么样的。刚开始的时候是这样的。
English
For example, when you're hungry. Hungry happening in your stomach.
English
Hungry feeling is
English
hot or warm in your stomach. Also want to eat. Want to eat not in the body. But the yogi knows it's only want to, together. And later and later, if you're more aware of yourself, then very slowly, the mind more understanding physical process object and mental object.
ZH
禅师举例，比如说我们肚子饿。肚子饿，饿的感觉是身体的感觉。想吃的，想吃的这个意念是内心的现象。但是一般人，整个过程，这个整个现象它会混在一起。它没有说能仔细地分开。所以迟一些，可能会能明显地看到内心的现象是怎么样。
English
Aware, continuously, day by day, the mind becomes more understanding physical process and mental process.
ZH
如果我们每天这样持续地去禅修，慢慢地我们会更清晰了解，就是身心它的互动，它们是怎么，就是能分辨。 还有一个问题是，我今天的现象，就是观呼吸的时候，就是观呼吸。可是那个疼痛来的时候，是非常巨大的。那这个，因为我今天在外面，清醒还好，可是我一坐下来的时候。
ZH
没关系，继续。
ZH
我坐下来今天大概可以坐到三个小时。那是那个疼痛就非常的巨大，比那个呼吸，就是观呼吸的那个过程要明显。那最后好像呼吸就不见，就是观呼吸的这个过程就比较弱了。那我就试着想说，那这么疼痛的话，我就把这个，也没有说它是所缘不所缘，就是说就知道它在疼痛，就这样而已嘛。这样是可以的嘛。那假如太疼痛的话，那我又跑去观呼吸，这样是不是比较会乱，还是说它是自然的现象？
English
So she says she,
English
when she do sitting meditation, she first aware the breathing. Then she sat for three hours. So the pain is enormous. So she, the pain is very much, very strong. So she cannot use the breathing as the object. But when she's aware in the pain, she just know there's a pain.
English
Is this okay?
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