Q&APauenhof Center Retreat28 Apr 2016
Group interview B2 — Gross and Subtle Objects, and Attitude Towards Sensations
Sayadaw U Tejaniya · 1 hr 18 min
Original audio: Burmese · English interpretation
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This group interview clarifies the right attitude toward gross and subtle objects, as well as the nature of feelings. The teacher explains that yogis should not select objects or chase subtle states, but maintain natural awareness and an equanimous mind toward liking and disliking.
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Pauenhof Center Retreat · 17 talks
- 81 hr 30 minGroup interview C1 — Mind Activities and Right Attitude Toward Emotions26 Apr 2016
- 940 minMorning instruction day 5 — Recognizing Mind and Continuity of Awareness27 Apr 2016
- 102 hr 10 minGroup interview A2 — Meditation as a Learning Process and Working with Defilements27 Apr 2016
- 1134 minMorning instruction day 6 — Eight Conditions for Dhamma and Awareness in Speech28 Apr 2016
- Viewing121 hr 18 minGroup interview B2 — Gross and Subtle Objects, and Attitude Towards Sensations28 Apr 2016
- 1332 minMorning instruction day 7 — Noticing Intentions and Observing Present Experiences29 Apr 2016
- 141 hr 10 minGroup interview C2 — Experiential Understanding and Practicing Continuously29 Apr 2016
- 1549 minMorning instruction day 8 — Cultivating Awareness and the Process of Mind30 Apr 2016
- 161 hr 31 minGroup interview B3 — Mind as Nature, Wise Attitude, and Skillful Action30 Apr 2016
- 1740 minMorning instruction day 9 — Practicing at Home and Working with Anger1 May 2016
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EnglishI do the holy hand. Holy wait, the pure mind, not my forehead. One hand too low, I'm mumbling. Thank you. Okay.
EnglishOne, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
EnglishHuh? Four? Four? Oh, twelve. Yeah.
EnglishOkay, here's a new, today, new experience.
EnglishSo, start to talk.
EnglishTwo hours then I hoped up. Oh, two hours then I'm done, yeah. Mm-hmm.
EnglishOkay, relax.
EnglishFirst one is a little bit stressed, huh?
EnglishJust talk. I— I want to, uh, share, um. Yes. How I do Vipassanā. Right, yeah. Yeah. So what is my way of, uh, meditating? And, uh, my idea is, when I will tell everybody how I am doing it, probably I will get some comments.
EnglishLike, this part is right, this is the part where I have to, for example, instead of doing this, I have to do it. So my idea is I will explain. Mm-hmm. That how I do the meditation. Mm-hmm. And then, um, some comments like whether it is right or not. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. That's it. That's why we are doing this.
EnglishOkay, so, uh, most of the time, or rather sometime, um, I experience a mental feeling. I do not know. Mental feeling. Yeah. I do not know what is the right, um, Buddhist word or Pali word for that, but there is some mental feeling. Mm-hmm. Right? So some, some, something mental which I can say that I like it or I don't like it.
EnglishBut there is something going on in mental which I do not recognize fully what it, but it is like, it could be some sort of, uh, sadness sometime, it could be some sort of happiness sometime, but it, it is something, some, some mental feeling. Yeah. So, um, many times. Sometimes you don't know. Yeah.
EnglishI'm coming to that also. Yeah. So now I have this mental feeling, and since my awareness is able to recognize something, yeah, so first thing is, it gives me a good feeling that, okay, I'm aware and I have recognized something. Mm-hmm. Right? And now I, uh, now this becomes my object.
EnglishMm-hmm. Now I start observing it. I, for example, I, I try to attack on this object from many sides. I want to see it from many sides, what it is, how I am reacting to it. Mm-hmm. I am feeling good about it, I am not feeling, but the good thing is I am able to completely segregate it from myself. Mm-hmm.
EnglishYeah, so I. Two times, two, two nights. Second, I'm going to tatat quay lu yar. Oh, okay. So there is a difference, yeah. So it's different, it's an object, it's me. Yeah, become objective. Yeah. And, and we are not the same. Right. Okay. So, uh, most of the time, even if it is a sad feeling, or it, it, I am not liking it, I start enjoying it because now I am a winner.
EnglishI, I am able to, uh, aware about this, I am able to objectify this feeling. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. So, so it gives me a winning feeling. Nine ever. Yeah. That's it. Nine ever. Three or nine ever. Three nines. Three, three or nine ever to win a fit ever. Three nines. Oh, three nines. Yeah. Because, because I am able to objectify it.
EnglishI am aware about it. Okay. Okay. And I, then I repeat in my mind, I caught this. Mm-hmm. So now I am on hold of this. I am mastering here. Yeah. Because it is. Yeah, yeah. It is objectified. Now, three nine ever. Mm-hmm. So this is, uh. One more poon. This is how, uh, then this feelings change from one feeling to another. Right.
EnglishAnother to another. So, so I am also. Yes. Focusing on feelings by feeling. Yeah. It's, it's a running process. Right. Then some point of time in the, in this process of meditation, I found that there is no mental feeling at all. So there is an emptiness. Wow. So, so, so there is no mental feeling which my awareness can catch at that point of time.
EnglishYeah. Mm-hmm.
EnglishSo now. So now. Now I am, now I am short of mental feeling, and because of my training, then I start looking for the, uh, body. Body sensations. Body sensations. If, if there is something like this, most of the time, I do not get any. Hmm? Most of the time, I do not get any. I, my awareness does not find any.
EnglishBodily feeling. Any bodily sensation. Like shadow. So if out of, uh, out of luck or out of. Oh. The mental feeling, yeah, we do get objective. Oh, which are mental feeling and shamudra. Shamudra. I change around, uh, colon age, second samadhi, kind of go around. Kind of go around. Pyanna and tama. I change my kind of go my level among. Do you? Kind of, hmm.
EnglishWhen I'm short of mental feeling, then I look for bodily feeling. Oh. Right? And then, um, many times. Kind of go my body again. Shamudra. What do you mean? M-many times I do not find any bodily feeling, so then it's a kind of, I don't know whether meditation is going. Yeah. Shila or thing or whatever. Whether I. Can you tell whether you have a lake? Can you, like, so you say you have no bodily feeling, but can you tell that you have a leg, for example?
EnglishI ha I know I have a leg. I know if I am sitting like this, there is pain. All of this is there. So why do you say there's no bodily feeling? Somehow I don't enjoy this thing. This is very simple for me. Oh. So. But you cannot say that there is no bodily feeling. Yeah, but, um, for me, for example, I look for if there is something. Looking for something. Yeah. There is something special than this.
EnglishYeah. Okay. So. Because of what you, you choo you looking for what you want. Because I do not. Object. Yeah. But naturally, object is already there. Yeah. But I do not have any interest in that somehow. Because it was so exotic, uh, when I looked at that sad feeling. Oh, sad feeling. Or that happy feeling, I was able to catch that. So how, how, ti ara tva yam pyon ira daiyo seka yoyo iso bro.
EnglishYeah. Yeah. Because of your judging. Mental object, also object. Physical object, also object. The same. But, but if, if, let's say I got the feeling, for example, there is some pressure here I got, or some vibration. So, so some subtle feeling which I get. No, no. Because. Yeah. You are not going out. I took your child. Mm-hmm. So you bodily sensation, you become boring because of many years.
EnglishNo, if it is gross. Now you are more interest about the feeling, mental state. Yeah. If, if, if it is a gross feeling, uh, basically I don't like it. It seems like this. Yeah. Or, or I, I do not, it does not generate any interest in me. So gross feeling is like some. Channe, yo, yo, yoso is what? Same word. It's not. Same with the other account. Judge it low.
EnglishIt is too simple for me then. It's not. No, no, no. You don't need to judge anything. You should not think like this. Because your idea is wrong. Mm-hmm. Because you think mental object is Dhamma. This physical object is not Dhamma. No, no. If, if it is a very subtle, um, bodily sensation, that also gives me interest. And then. But it doesn't have to be subtle. Yeah, yeah.
EnglishBut, but, uh, how, how it happens with me. So the, the process is, the rea my reality is, okay, so let's say now out of 10 times, I do not find any sensation which I do not see a sensation. For example, pain is there, sweat is there, sweating is there. I, I do not find them. Like, they are not my kind of sensation. Something like that. Oh.
EnglishOh. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. It's not. Now, now sensation, yo. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I checked. I check the sensation. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She must be like. But I think, uh, Tamma change in it. It says, you already have a target in your mind. Yeah. And some idea, some wrong idea is there. Yeah. So then, then let's say one day, one, one moment in the meditation, I got that sensation.
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Sayadaw U Tejaniya began his Buddhist training as a young teenager in Burma under the late Shwe Oo Min Sayadaw (1913–2002). After a career in business and life as a householder, he has become a permanent monk since 1996.…