Q&ALing Shan Temple Retreat28 Apr 2018
Group 12 — Working with Pain, the State of Mind, and the Sense of Self
Sayadaw U Tejaniya · 2 hr 15 min
Original audio: English · Chinese interpretation
0:00−2:15:30
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This group interview clarifies how to observe pain and mental reactions, reminding yogis to address anger before examining bodily sensations. The teacher explains the process of relinquishing self-delusion in awareness and intention, emphasizing right attitude over forced concentration.
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Ling Shan Temple Retreat · 25 talks
- 169 minQ&A 07 — Observing Discomfort and Understanding Dukkha26 Apr 2018
- 171 hr 13 minGroup 09 — Checking the Attitude and Accepting with Wisdom27 Apr 2018
- 181 hr 53 minGroup 10 — Dealing with Sleepiness and Natural Awareness27 Apr 2018
- 1912 minQ&A 08 — Right Reflection and Understanding Dukkha27 Apr 2018
- 201 hr 54 minGroup 11 — Recognizing Nature and Thoughts Instead of Concepts28 Apr 2018
- Viewing212 hr 16 minGroup 12 — Working with Pain, the State of Mind, and the Sense of Self28 Apr 2018
- 2211 minQ&A 09 — Using Wisdom and Working with Anger28 Apr 2018
- 231 hr 51 minGroup 13 — Watching the Mind Reaction and Working with the Mind Door29 Apr 2018
- 242 hrGroup 14 — Concept and Reality in Meditation29 Apr 2018
- 258 minQ&A 10 — Defilements in Dreams and Questions Arising Naturally29 Apr 2018
Transcript
ZH
嗯，禅师好，梅老师好。呃，我昨天一个，那个，在禅坐的时候，我也是从那个观夫妇开始，但是中间有一个过程倒是蛮特别的，因为我在观照的时候，他自己内心好像出来一个声音，问了一个问题说："禅修者跟一般人有什么不同？"一样是吃饭，一样走路，一样睡觉，有什么不一样？那当下我并没有特别去想，那下坐之后，我就是觉知说东西放好，然后开门关门，然后一路走下去。那就在走那个下坡的地方的时候，那个心里一直在知道说我那个走路的过程，还有手碰扶手梯，还有往前看的那个，那个看到，知道。那一路走下去，那个心忽然间冒出一句话，就是这个不一样。禅修者就是活在当下，就是知道当下的一个一个连续的那些动作。那一般人的话就是他一样走，一样吃饭，一样睡觉，但是他没有那个觉知，知道。
English
Okay. So yesterday during sitting meditation, she had a question come up, came up to her mind: what is the difference between a yogi and an ordinary person? Oh, yes. So she just continued practice, not thinking about the answer. And then after sitting, she walked down
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mindfully, you know, just keep awareness going on. And then all of a sudden the answer came up. The answer is the meditator has mindfulness. Ordinary people don't. Yes. Very obviously. 这个是很明确的。
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Right. Then we talk in Dhamma, have one word. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ZH
如今度耶，还是今天度耶？ 如今度耶。 还是今天度耶。
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People are the same, but breathing different. Mean is aware of the breath or not aware of the breath.
ZH
哦哦哦。禅师说在缅甸有一句俗语，就说人是一样的，不同的是他的呼吸。其实并不是呼吸不一样，是你有没有觉知到呼吸。就是禅修者是有觉知的，大家都在呼吸，但是一般人是没有觉知的。
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Another one is
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not ordinary people, they also have six objects. We also have six objects. What difference? They use the six objects. Because of six objects, they are all define kamma: liking, disliking kamma. For yogis, because of six objects, awareness, samādhi, wisdom is growing.
ZH
另外一个说法就是说，普通人和禅修者都有六所缘，都有六所缘。普通人这个六所缘，是他们产生贪嗔痴的地方。对于禅修者，六所缘是培育这个正念、正定和智慧的地方。
ZH
那另外就是说，我在经行的时候，经行的时候，因为我们走路，我们现在没有标记，就是直接这样一步一步走。那走到后来有感觉到说那种连贯性，就是说你脚起来放下，还有你的那个眼神往前看什么的那一部分。那我在那当下突然有个想说，如果我们这样保持的话，是不是就是所谓的连续的觉知？ 就是你眼跟身体心都知道。
ZH
对对对，就是说我们那个一步一步都知道。那包括我们往前看，然后声音也听到，这种状况，如果说那一小段算不算那种连续的觉知？
English
So during walking meditation, there was a period of time the mind knows everything: the movement, sight, hearing, sound, everything.
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It's a flow, no stop. So she said, "Is this the continuous mindfulness?" Yeah. 是的。
ZH
那另外还有就是说，当我感觉到说我们的那个觉知就是那个，就是在走路的时候，我知道我在走，然后当下就是说风吹来都知道，什么都知道的时候，那我是在想，这个就是我们所说的那种自然的觉知，是吗？ 对。是的。 对。OK，那我的问题就这样子。 好。
ZH
初禅的时候，我练习让五根门去觉知，看见，心知道看见，听见，心知道听见。然后一段时间之后，我再去觉察每一个看见跟听见，心的感受是如何。大部分时间都是一个中性的，不苦不乐受。
English
So during sitting meditation, she's wearing
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seeing, hearing,
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everything. And then she checked the mind, and then the mind
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in Ubikhasta.
ZH
然后一段时间之后，突然间脚传来一个讯息，他开始有不愉悦的感觉。我就给自己下了一个指令，我要看着他的整个痛的过程，不管他怎么样，我一定要坚持到那个钟响，不动也不换脚。然后在看的过程的时候，他开始是沉重的，然后后来慢慢的有点僵硬，然后在那个硬里面，他刚开始有点软，可是那个软呢，就软的程度越来越少，越来越少，然后僵硬的程度越来越多，然后就感觉越来越重。后来他就慢慢的变得有点紧绷，绷的时候他就开始麻，麻到后来渐渐的时候，他就开始有点抽痛的感觉。之后我就发现，他有一些前面的一些过程，那个心的觉受还是可以接受的，他还是在不苦不乐受里面。可是后来当他开始抽痛的时候，就是他的疼痛增剧的时候，那个心开始有纠结，开始很沉重，开始很用力，然后更加的去关注他。他麻的程度有很多的变化，他有时候是那个麻上面，麻下面，有时候是左边右边，那有时候他的麻的是那个有点像抽丝这样子抽的感觉，然后开始就全身开始热了，因为他那个抽痛，抽痛的程度越来越激烈，开始全身有点僵硬，然后开始热，开始有点烦躁的心感觉起来。然后后来我就在看那个疼痛，那个疼痛还是持续，但是它真的是会变化的，它真的是不一样的那种过程。就是今天了解到一个，原来痛它是一个概念，它只是一些我们不愉快的感受。那这不愉快的感受是有些可以接受，有些不能接受，不能接受的时候，心里就会有排斥，就会一直很想要动它一下，动它一下，然后持续坚持。它痛越来越那个抽动的程序，就像电流一样，抽动程序越来越大，越来越大的时候，开始全身冒汗了，那个心更沉重。到后来好不容易钟声响了，可是我发现到我的一个意念是我绝对不动它，不怎么样。可是我发现到我的手竟然是撑着另外一边，减轻它的重量。可是过程里面我都是带着觉知，就是说我一直观照痛，痛，痛。然后过程里面也有几个，我会是深呼吸的去减轻它的负担。在这里有一个发现就是说，心念我是一直很绵密的去坚持它要这样，那另外一个心念会支持它，是因为我的觉照不够呢，还是心念它有很多种更微细的。这是这里面的一个疑问。
English
Okay, so she's observing pain in one sitting. She makes a determination not to change posture for the whole sitting. So she
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observed the pain, that the leg becomes heavy, stiff, hard, and tension, numbness, and then it increases. And then she checked the mind. The mind is still in the Ubikha state. But then as the pain increases, there's contracting pain, and she felt the mind is not pleasant, also not feeling good.
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But because she made this determination, so she observed the pain continuously. She noticed later the body becomes hot and stiff, whole body becomes stiff. And then the mind feels irritable. And then, but she felt that, like she, until the end, she watched the whole process and see the pain changes, you know, different kind of feeling.
English
Then she realized the pain is not, it's just a concept. It consists of different pleasant experiences, and among the unpleasant experiences, some are acceptable by the mind, some are not. So the acceptable ones, the mind can be okay, but for the ones, you know, particular, like contracting, the mind is struggling.
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Then
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when she opened her eyes, she noticed the other hand supporting the body. She's probably the weight change to relieve the pain. She was surprised. She didn't know the body is adjusting, the hand is supporting the body. So she's asking,
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although there is a mind to decide to see through the pain, but why does the other mind
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try to relieve the pain? Yes. Like supporting, you know, try to ease the pain. The one mind decides to not move, but the unpleasant mind, the anger, is anger. He do his job.
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That's why there becomes conflict. That's why sometimes you try to control, but unconsciously the mind is not accept. So conflict comes, then the mind is more powerful, unconscious is more powerful, he win. He do his job.
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