Q&AInsight Meditation Society Retreat3 May 2014
Dharma Discussion group B3 — Working with Defilements, Pain, and Effort
Sayadaw U Tejaniya · 2 hr 9 min
Original audio: Burmese · English interpretation
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In this group interview, the teacher discusses observing aversion during physical pain, distinguishing defilements from wholesome faculties, and maintaining right view instead of excessive thinking. Yogis are encouraged not to force renunciation, but to allow wisdom to naturally discern and guide their practice.
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- 201 hr 39 minDharma Discussion group A3 — Doubt, Nature of Awareness and Objects, and Dukkha3 May 2014
- Viewing212 hr 9 minDharma Discussion group B3 — Working with Defilements, Pain, and Effort3 May 2014
- 2228 minGuided meditation — Noticing Defilements and Continuous Awareness4 May 2014
- 231 hr 46 minDharma Discussion group C3 — Defilements as Objects and Awareness of Mind4 May 2014
- 242 hr 1 minDharma Discussion group D3 — Working with Defilements and Right Attitude4 May 2014
- 251 hr 51 minDharma Discussion group E3 — Investigating Defilements and Reality of the Mind5 May 2014
- 262 hr 14 minDharma Discussion group F3 — Being Aware of Awareness, Personal Effort, and Looking Internally at Defilements5 May 2014
Transcript
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This is May 3 at Insight Meditation Society, interview discussion group for Sayadaw U Tejaniya, group B.
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Yes.
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Hello.
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I have 5 questions. I'll ask one, and if I can keep going, I'll go. I should really— I'll wait. But, um, last time I was talking about pain and suggesting to take mind as object, and— Mm-hm. —and I wasn't sure what that meant, or how to do that.
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And, and so, fortunately, the books kind of explained that a little bit to me, that I need to look at the cause and effect of how
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my mental state of aversion was, um, affecting the intensity of my pain. Yeah. And is that the same as, as going to the third or fourth foundation of mindfulness? Is that, um— Dhamma and U Pasana. Oh.
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Is that kind of like Tara Brax's acronym of reign, recognize, accept what the emotion is, investigate it, and have non-acceptance of it? Non-identification. Non-identification. Non-acceptance. Uh,
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should we continue? Hmm? Yeah. I wouldn't quite know exactly what hers would be referring to. Sorry.
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，，。，，《》，？ ，，。。，。 。 ？？ 。 ？ So he says, when we're at this stage of just investigating, we're looking at what's happening, the feeling is like this, the physical sensation is like this, physical sensation increases, feeling increases like this.
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You know, when we're doing that, he said we're just still at the first two. When you understand
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this is the mind, that's the third. When you understand the whole— understand as in you have an insight— and you understand the nature of this relationship, that's Dhamma and U Pasana. That's the fourth foundation. 那，咵生那，法句智那，那个咯，咵生那法句那，那个，怎么安ุ巴特那是要要的？ If you are investigating the cause and effect relationship and seeing it— 那个，那个，那个，那个，那个，那个，那个，那个，咯，那个，那个，那个，那个，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯。 嗯。 咁，咁，咁，咁，咁，咁，咁， 咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯。 So the fourth foundation, Dhamma and U Pasana, is always at a stage of— at a— it's in a state of insight.
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So you're understanding that things are nature, this is the cause, this is the effect, this is— you know— so when all these things are being understood, it's Dhamma and U Pasana. And that is what's meant by taking the, the, you know, mind as object?
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Ah, no. When we said that, I think he just meant to, um, when there is pain, look at the mental reaction. That's what he meant. Yeah. Yeah. 唯得那，就是这个意思。那么，唯得那，唯得那， 唯得那，唯得那，唯得那，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯。 唯得那，唯得那，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯，咯。 Yeah.
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When we— um, when we're doing Vedan and U Pasana, the second— um, Vedan actually arises in the mind. Vedan is a mental
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function, but we're accessing it through recognizing pleasant/unpleasant
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feelings. Yeah. Or neutral.
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Okay. Question number 2.
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Um,
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if you did the, um,
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contemplation of the hindrance of aversion, what would be a shorthand answer for why it arises, how you remove it, and how you prevent it?
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The shorthand is insight.
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Understanding arising then— ，，。 That's the shortcut. Do it. You have to get to it first.
[Burmese segment]
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He says, the way it's described in the text is to understand dosa and all its attendant minds. When you are investigating dosa and all its attendant minds, he says that is— that is when you're— that's the third foundation, Cittan U Pasana.
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But
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when you are understanding the characteristics of dosa and all its attendant minds, he says that's— you understand how they work. That's when it becomes Dhamma and U Pasana, again an insight. Yeah.
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Ideally.
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He says, you might see the shortcut to
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accessing those answers is by watching the mind's activity. Mind process, activity process. Not the mind process. You must see the chain of minds that are feeding each other to understand the cause-effect relationship.
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Chain of thoughts, feelings, etc.
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Sayadaw U Tejaniya began his Buddhist training as a young teenager in Burma under the late Shwe Oo Min Sayadaw (1913–2002). After a career in business and life as a householder, he has become a permanent monk since 1996.…