Q&AShwe Oo Min Dhamma Sukha Retreat3 Mar 2017
Day 3 Discussion group D — Wrong View, Reactions to Objects, and Meditation as a Way of Life
Sayadaw U Tejaniya · 2 hr 4 min
Original audio: Burmese · English interpretation
0:00−2:04:12
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In this group interview, the teacher clarifies that objects are never obstacles; rather, the mind's reactions are what need to be recognized. Meditators are encouraged to view meditation as a continuous lifestyle across all activities, rather than forcing rigid sitting practice.
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Shwe Oo Min Dhamma Sukha Retreat · 18 talks
- 136 minDay 1 · introduction talk — Right Effort and Right View1 Mar 2017
- 21 hr 20 minDay 2 Discussion group A — Adjusting the Mind and Observing Experiences2 Mar 2017
- 31 hr 19 minDay 2 Discussion group C — Motivation in Practice and Understanding Realities2 Mar 2017
- 41 hr 24 minDay 3 Discussion group B — Seeing Thought, Concepts and Realities, and Sensations3 Mar 2017
- Viewing52 hr 4 minDay 3 Discussion group D — Wrong View, Reactions to Objects, and Meditation as a Way of Life3 Mar 2017
- 61 hr 25 minDay 4 Discussion group A — Nature of Thoughts and the Sense of Self4 Mar 2017
- 71 hr 47 minDay 4 Discussion group C — Recognizing Wrong Attitudes, Defilements, and the Nature of Mind4 Mar 2017
- 81 hr 17 minDay 5 Discussion group B — Observing Defilements, Conceit, and Habits5 Mar 2017
- 91 hr 47 minDay 5 Discussion group D — Natural Effort and Not Personalizing Experiences5 Mar 2017
- 101 hr 15 minDay 6 Discussion group A — Free Will, Knowing the Mind and Anchor Objects6 Mar 2017
Transcript
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Um, March the 3rd, 2017, Kalaw Retreat Group D. D.
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6:00 p.m.
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Yes. Uh, Sayadaw, um, I wrote the report from day one. Okay, day one: the mind is more simple, like, uh, just aware, and nothing much, just knowing, just feel all the awareness, awareness, not aware, awareness, and not aware. So it's many, many occasions just like that.
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And the mind, no complaint. It's able to accept just simple, because maybe the retreat mind already knows this only first day. Yeah. So it's able to accept all this. Continue by many, many sitting, like this type of, uh, observation. Okay. Then it's not no longer okay with it. Observing. Yeah, because, uh, it's like, uh, going so far for, for Malaysia to hear, like, it must be something.
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So the mind is like already—so I, I think, um, then, uh, I can see some the mind at peace a little bit, like, oh, the awareness is actually longer. Compared from moment and moment, then it becomes longer. But it, it, it cannot handle when it notices that, the mind notices that when there's idle state, the mind as idle, and do not know why all the information, Sayadaw, all questions do not, don't come anymore.
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When meditate, it's like, I already put in the box that nothing, nothing will come out already. It's like, eh, when I idle, ah, then the another friend, which is the sleepiness, will come in to meditate. Okay, then it's like, oh, sleepiness, oh, okay, at least got object to watch. You know, the mind will say, oh, at least I got something to watch. Okay, now let's face the sleepiness.
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But, uh, when the awareness is not sta-stable, I will see the actually wiped off by the sleepiness most of the time. Yeah. So, uh, it, it's not able to face it. But it still can be okay, because it's only the first day. Mm-hmm. Because the mind says, okay, wait until I'm okay to face it.
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So then when the sleepiness going on for many, many, many sitting, the mind cannot, because it's like, I am ready to face you when you are just visiting me once in a while. But if you continue to visiting me all the time, I am not okay with it.
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So then, um, the mind says, okay, let's learn, because be honest, I want to learn. But actually, I, I don't want to learn, you know. I, I found that actually the mind is one something out, because still result-oriented. Uh, one something out. To learn for me is not really true, but because of this, I continue to, like, sleepy, sleepy, then another, another object come, eh, I will be more happy, oh, I got taught.
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I got taught more better than sleepiness.
[Burmese segment]
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So when the mind is sleepy, it's a sign that there's not enough right effort.
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Um, and there's not enough wisdom. So we put. Yeah. So we don't need to think about the result, because, um, however, whatever your effort and input, you will get that much output. Okay?
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But you, you must only think about how to put in the input, and what input to put in. This is your job. Right? Present moment, um, how, how you're going to do your work. Right? Yeah. You know how the mind is being aware.
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This is your, what is important for you to know, to check. Then I noticed, Sayadaw, the top, because I also read that, eh, object have no hierarchy. Object should be safe. Right? So when the thought come, that I investigate the thought is, some thought that is not important, it's just, uh, or thinking or going this, uh, doing this, it's not important.
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Then it's, when I notice it, the thought will go away. Okay. But the, it's not true when
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another thought that is another important, the mind put important to it, then it will not actually let go. Uh-huh. And the example is that, um, I receive a big amount of money for the wise fund, then at the same time also I receive another fund for the children, which is in ringgit. Then the mind keep doing calculation, calculation, the calculation, how to convert this money, this money.
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And I said, okay, stop. It cannot. I, I said, never mind. I, I sit again. The same again, you know. It's, it's.
[Burmese segment]
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So that's just, you know, when we see thinking mind, um, our job is not to try to stop thinking mind. Thinking mind doesn't need to stop. Okay? Our job is to recognize whether there's defilement behind the thinking mind, or wisdom behind the thinking mind. Right? And then, um, if the, you know, we can, if there is no defilement, then we can do right thinking.
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We can think, and then the mind will know when it's enough, or something like that. Right? So we, we have to do right thinking. Right? Rather than, um, inste so what we want to watch out for is whether there's a defilement behind it. Right? It's not that we cannot think. Yeah. So the thinking is not, not the problem. It's what is behind the thinking.
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So we need to deal with that. So when we have right thought, right, wrong thought will become less. No, I think, uh, the thing is. Wrong motivation for thought will become less. right. Right thought.
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So when we, um, we have sati, right? Sati, uh, when we remember to be in the present moment, then right thought needs to work together with sati. You know? So it's not that we need to have less thinking. We just need to have more right thinking. Oh, right. Yeah. Example of right thinking is, like, this is already, right, already.
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Want to do calculation, I will let the mind do the calculation. But why does it want to do the calculation? Yeah.
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And this is work that maybe you need to do. Maybe you're involved with, you know, this sort of, uh, activity, you know, in, in the organization. So this is something that your mind is used to doing. So once that work comes, the mind will think about it. Right? And if you want to have right attitude about it, you need to have right thinking. Right? And right thinking is that this is the nature of the mind.
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When the mind has this work to do, it will think like this. So then it's, at least you will think, but you are not also not liking the thinking. Mm-hmm. Yes, yes. Yeah. So you don't need to stop the thinking, because you think that you how to stop the thinking.
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Right? You're thinking how to stop the thinking. Right? Yeah? So he said you don't need to stop the thinking. You need to, um, be aware that the mind is thinking. Continue to be aware. And then, um, if the mind realizes how much thinking is enough, like you already finished the calculation, maybe you write it down somewhere, then the mind is like, okay, this is it, I, I have already finished what I need to do, then no need to think anymore.
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If it understands this is enough, then it will stop thinking. Right? That is press it. Press it. Press it. No, no, don't, don't do now. Don't do now. I am low. I do, I settle you later.
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Some things you, you. Yeah, suppress all that. Yeah, that's suppressing. Yeah. Some things you, you need to deal with. Right? Right.
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Yes. I would like to report, um, during this, uh, retreat, there are two main obstacles that I have encountered. Number one is the thoughts. Second one is the pain. For thoughts, uh, I can still watch it, and then most of the time, the thoughts came in the form of songs. I, I don't sing along with it. I just watch it, and then I know that it has its own causes and, uh, uh, effects.
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Sayadaw U Tejaniya began his Buddhist training as a young teenager in Burma under the late Shwe Oo Min Sayadaw (1913–2002). After a career in business and life as a householder, he has become a permanent monk since 1996.…